Legislature(2003 - 2004)

02/19/2003 08:35 AM House FSH

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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
              HOUSE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON FISHERIES                                                                            
                       February 19, 2003                                                                                        
                           8:35 a.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Paul Seaton, Chair                                                                                               
Representative Peggy Wilson, Vice Chair                                                                                         
Representative Pete Kott                                                                                                        
Representative Ralph Samuels                                                                                                    
Representative Ethan Berkowitz                                                                                                  
Representative David Guttenberg                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Cheryll Heinze                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE CONCURRENT RESOLUTION NO. 6                                                                                               
Extending the termination date of the Joint Legislative Salmon                                                                  
Industry Task Force until 2005.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED CSHCR 6(FSH) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
OVERVIEW: ALASKA DEPARTMENT OF FISH & GAME, SUBSISTENCE                                                                         
DIVISION, BY MARY C. PETE, DIRECTOR                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS ACTION                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                              
BILL: HCR 6                                                                                                                   
SHORT TITLE: EXTEND JT LEG SALMON INDUSTRY TASK FORCE                                                                           
SPONSOR(S): REPRESENTATIVE(S) STEVENS                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Jrn-Date   Jrn-Page                     Action                                                                                  
02/07/03     0147       (H)        READ THE FIRST TIME -                                                                        
                                   REFERRALS                                                                                    
02/07/03     0147       (H)        FSH, FIN                                                                                     
02/10/03     0171       (H)        COSPONSOR(S): MORGAN                                                                         
02/19/03                (H)        FN1: ZERO (LEG)                                                                              
02/19/03                (H)        FSH AT 8:30 AM CAPITOL 124                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                              
CHERYL SUTTON, Staff                                                                                                            
to the Joint Legislative Salmon Industry Task Force                                                                             
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION   STATEMENT:     Testified  on   HCR  6,   providing  an                                                               
explanation of the proposed CS.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MARY C. PETE, Director                                                                                                          
Division of Subsistence                                                                                                         
Alaska Department of Fish & Game (ADF&G)                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Provided an  overview of the ADF&G, Division                                                               
of Subsistence.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 03-8, SIDE A                                                                                                             
Number 0001                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  PAUL   SEATON  called  the  House   Special  Committee  on                                                             
Fisheries meeting to  order at 8:35 a.m.  Members  present at the                                                               
call  to  order  were Representatives  Seaton,  Wilson,  Samuels,                                                               
Guttenberg,  and Berkowitz.   Representative  Kott arrived  while                                                               
the meeting was in progress.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HCR 6-EXTEND JT LEG SALMON INDUSTRY TASK FORCE                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 0036                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SEATON announced  the  first order  of  business would  be                                                               
consideration of  HOUSE CONCURRENT  RESOLUTION NO.  6, "Extending                                                               
the  termination date  of the  Joint Legislative  Salmon Industry                                                               
Task Force until 2005."                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 0074                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  WILSON  moved  to adopt  the  proposed  committee                                                               
substitute  (CS)  for  HCR  6,  Version  23-LS0516\H,  Utermohle,                                                               
2/12/03, as  a work draft.   There being no objection,  Version H                                                               
was before the committee.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 0163                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHERYL  SUTTON, Staff  to the  Joint Legislative  Salmon Industry                                                               
Task  Force,   Alaska  State  Legislature,  explained   that  the                                                               
proposed CS  for HCR 6  contains essentially three changes.   She                                                               
said the first change is to  provide for an extension of one year                                                               
instead  of two  years, a  change that  would extend  through the                                                               
adjournment of  the [second] regular session  of the Twenty-Third                                                               
Alaska State Legislature.  Ms.  Sutton said that in addition, the                                                               
proposed   committee  substitute   adds   funding  language   for                                                               
appropriations through  the Legislative Council,  which clarifies                                                               
the   funding  stream.      She  said   this   addition  is   for                                                               
clarification,  as the  task force  has  worked this  way in  the                                                               
past.  She said there is  a zero fiscal note, so additional money                                                               
will not be needed to continue the work.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 0269                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BERKOWITZ noted  that  some  legislators who  had                                                               
been  on the  task force  would no  longer be  available to  fill                                                               
those positions,  and he asked  if there had been  any indication                                                               
of who might be interested in taking their places.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. SUTTON  said that discussion had  not taken place as  of yet,                                                               
but stated that if the  task force were extended, the legislative                                                               
members of the task force would have that discussion.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 0337                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BERKOWITZ moved  to report  CSHCR 6,  Version 23-                                                               
LS0516\H, Utermohle,  2/12/03, out  of committee  with individual                                                               
recommendations  and the  accompanying zero  fiscal note.   There                                                               
being  no objection,  CSHCR 6(FSH)  was reported  from the  House                                                               
Special Committee on Fisheries.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
OVERVIEW:  ALASKA   DEPARTMENT  OF   FISH  &   GAME,  SUBSISTENCE                                                             
DIVISION, BY MARY C. PETE, DIRECTOR                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 03-8, SIDE(S) A & B                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
[The overview begins at number 0375 on Side A.]                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON announced  that the next order of  business would be                                                               
the  Overview:   Alaska  Department of  Fish  & Game  Subsistence                                                               
Division, by Mary C. Pete,  Director.  [Committee members present                                                               
were Representatives  Seaton, Wilson, Kott,  Samuels, Guttenberg,                                                               
and Berkowitz.]                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Summary of Information                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MARY  C.   PETE,  Director,   Division  of   Subsistence,  Alaska                                                               
Department  of  Fish  & Game  (ADF&G),  referred  to  information                                                               
provided  in   the  committee  packet  and   explained  that  the                                                               
subsistence  section was  made into  a division  in 1980,  is the                                                               
social science  research arm of  ADF&G, and is used  primarily to                                                               
aid the  Board of Fisheries  and the  Board of Game  to implement                                                               
the  Alaska  subsistence law.    The  division compiles  existing                                                               
information on hunting and fishing  from harvest records, but its                                                               
main contribution to fish and  game management and subsistence is                                                               
derived  from  community-based  studies  in  which  socioeconomic                                                               
research is  conducted.   The division  has been  instrumental in                                                               
assisting  the  boards  by defining  subsistence  needs  so  that                                                               
opportunities for other  uses such as commercial  or personal use                                                               
can be provided for, as well.   Information gathered is also used                                                               
for land-use planning and development.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. PETE told  the committee that the division is  composed of 28                                                               
full-time  staff,  10  seasonal staff,  and  approximately  60-70                                                               
subsistence monitors  who work on  special projects in  any given                                                               
year, primarily  in coastal  communities.   There are  four field                                                               
offices and three regional offices,  and the staff is composed of                                                               
either field  researchers who work in  the communities throughout                                                               
the  state or  computer and  research analysts  who maintain  the                                                               
division's sizable databases.   Subsistence research includes but                                                               
is  not  limited to:    harvest  monitoring and  species-specific                                                               
studies, community  profiles, collaborative research,  and marine                                                               
mammal  studies.   Included  on the  distribution  list for  such                                                               
information   are  universities,   resource-management  agencies,                                                               
communities, and government agencies.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS.  PETE explained  that since  October 1999,  when the  federal                                                               
subsistence program  began managing  its fisheries,  the division                                                               
has become the lead agency  in coordinating the state and federal                                                               
subsistence programs.   Ms. Pete  referred to information  in the                                                               
committee packet,  "Subsistence in  Alaska: A Year  2000 Update,"                                                               
and explained that  in state law, there are  subsistence and non-                                                               
subsistence  use areas  - defined  in  federal law  as urban  and                                                               
rural  areas;  according to  the  graph  in  Figure 1,  in  1999,                                                               
Alaska's population by  area was 80 percent urban  and 20 percent                                                               
rural.   She noted that there  is a difference between  state and                                                               
federal definitions of subsistence.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. PETE  continued her presentation  by responding  to questions                                                               
from  the   committee  pertaining  to  the   same  handout  while                                                               
reviewing  Figure  2,  "Percent of  Households  Participating  in                                                               
Subsistence Activities  in Rural  Areas"; Figure  3, "Composition                                                               
of  Subsistence  Harvest  by Rural  Residents";  Figure  4,  "Who                                                               
Harvests Fish  and Game?   Resource Harvests  by Use  in Alaska";                                                               
Figure 5, "Wild  Food Harvests in Alaska by  Area, 1990s"; Figure                                                               
6,  "Wild Food  Harvests in  Alaska: Nutritional  and Replacement                                                               
Values"; and Figure 7, "Angoon Deer Harvest Areas."                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS.  PETE responded  to  the question,  "How  does customary  and                                                               
traditional use  modify the ability  of people to hunt  and fish,                                                               
in  a subsistence  context?" by  referring to  eight criteria  in                                                               
state regulation  that help the  board to determine  if customary                                                               
and  traditional usage  is  being met.   Ms.  Pete  said that  to                                                               
determine whether  an area is  a subsistence use area,  the joint                                                               
boards  ask  a  basic  question   such  as,  "If  there  were  no                                                               
subsistence  use,  would  this   community  still  exist?"    She                                                               
confirmed that  it is a  myth that subsistence means  that anyone                                                               
living in  rural Alaska "can go  anywhere and do anything."   Ms.                                                               
Pete mentioned  that although the  state does not  use population                                                               
as the  defining factor, the  federal program has  been grappling                                                               
with  how  to determine  rural  versus  non-rural areas  and  has                                                               
determined that communities  of populations of 2,500  or less are                                                               
rural,  communities   of  7,000   or  more  are   non-rural,  and                                                               
communities  in  between  have no  presumption,  in  which  case,                                                               
characteristics need to be looked at to make a determination.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. PETE  responded to  a question  from the  committee regarding                                                               
the   division's  input   and  interaction   in  the   permitting                                                               
processes, currently  being conducted by the  Division of Habitat                                                               
and  Restoration.    She  said  that  if  subsistence  areas  are                                                               
involved,   the  Division   of  Subsistence   provides  pertinent                                                               
information via its  database.  In response to  a question asking                                                               
for clarification about the  AIDEA [Alaska Industrial Development                                                               
and Export  Authority] dividend receipts, she  answered that last                                                               
year, the  division received over  $1 million dollars  in general                                                               
funds to implement  the state subsistence law, but  last year the                                                               
legislature replaced  the general fund monies  with AIDEA monies;                                                               
she noted  that "it would  be great  to receive the  general fund                                                               
dollars again."                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
ANNOUNCEMENTS                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
There were no announcements during the overview portion.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
The committee took no action during the overview portion.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no  further business before the  committee, the House                                                               
Special  Committee on  Fisheries  meeting was  adjourned at  9:30                                                               
a.m.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
NOTE:   The meeting was  recorded and handwritten log  notes were                                                               
taken.  A  copy of the tape(s)  and log notes may  be obtained by                                                               
contacting the  House Records  Office at  State Capitol,  Room 3,                                                               
Juneau,  Alaska  99801  (mailing address),  (907)  465-2214,  and                                                               
after  adjournment  of the  second  session  of the  Twenty-Third                                                               
Alaska  State Legislature  this  information may  be obtained  by                                                               
contacting the Legislative Reference Library at (907) 465-3808.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                

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